lionman - 06:53 pm - The Draft and un-retiring.
I read that from a local fur's post. I guess I'm not overly surprised to see it. And, I guess I won't be more surprised to see it come to pass.
There's discussion and actual stuff going on where retired military are being called up again. An acquiantance who worked on the retired Apache helicopter recieved notice that he would be called back up to active service if they pulled the Apache out of mothballs.
wolfwings - 07:35 pm - I hate to be this blunt...
...but I'm glad I invalidated any future military service (as far as I know anyways, I have, for myself), and if this does come to pass...
Welcome to Vietnam, part duex. Unfortunately, I have no doubts that the noisiest complainers will be the first drafted, since they have many years of improved tracking technology to track folks that attempt to dodge said draft-call to continue protesting.
I'm not going to take any chances though... I don't care what it takes, if this comes to pass... I'm gone until I'm past the point of being drafted, just in case I'm not invalidated. I don't agree with this 'war' that will never, ever end, even if we do win in whatever countries we're in now. Nor will I fight for this so-called war on terrorism.
wolfwings - 09:11 pm - Re: Invalid?
First off... the obvious part is I'm bisexual at the very least. With decent male tendencies.
Second off... I had epilepsy when I was younger, enlisted, 'forgot' to tell them that until short after they gave me my 'show up now to go to boot camp' date, THEN told them and got a summary discharge. As far as I know, I'm invalid for military service ever again, as I scored so high on their tests it's silly. Basically, I aced the basic test, then a secondary test, and finally the crypto test, and had to go through the stupidity of enlisting and getting discharged to get them to stop calling me every single fucking day to enlist. They were as bad as some telemarketers.
lionman - 01:21 am - Re: Invalid?
Well, I suggest that if you get called up, you let them know up front what your sexual preference is. Having epilepsy may not disqualify you for service at a certain point in the draft process. You may simply be assigned to duties on a base in the US where you could recieve treatment for epilepsy should something happen.
lionman - 01:25 am - Re: The Draft and un-retiring.
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. But, for the most part, it's not something terribly familiar to many folks today. My grandfather's generation, from WW2, are slipping away from us.
What does bother me, however, is that those vets who are still around, and were promised things like free medical and perscriptions and dental when they enlisted, even after they retired, are having those promised benefits taken away, or eroded. WW2 vets and their spouses were supposed to get free 'scripts and medical and dental...well, the dental benefits are completely gone now, and they want to charge a co-pay now for 'scripts.
Actually, it doesn't just bother me, it offends me.
rosequoll - 07:45 pm
I told Stephen that I planned on letting my US citizenship go when I got my Australian (you actively have to request to keep it dual), and he seemed shocked, telling me that it was a huge step, and that I really should think more about it....
I'm not coming back here. I hate this place, have for years, and the feeling is culminating.
lionman - 01:19 am - US Citizenship.
Actually, the US is a jealous country. If you choose to take citizenship in another country, and take their oak of allegience, you technically give up your citizenship to the US. Or, if you choose to uphold dual citizenship, the US won't recognize your citizenship to the other country. In the eyes of the US, you can only belong to one country.
I had a HS teacher who came to the US as a war bride from WW2. She has dual citizenship with France. However, the US doesn't recognize her French citizenship, while France doesn't care that she's a citizen of both countries.
brianblackberry - 01:20 am
Well personally I feel a draft is a bad idea, not that I believe serving one's nation in a military capacity is wrong at all, but that an army of professionals who (and here is the key) volunteer is far superior in morale and ability then an army of conscripts.
I wouldn’t qualify myself, but I certainly do not feel others should be drafted, unless the US itself was attacked by another nation, like in 1941.
I certainly think drafting women is wrong, call me old fashioned but the idea of forcing women in harms way, in combat roles is seriously twisted. Imagine someone’s mother being made to be soilder….
jade_darkness - 04:30 am
I've been invalidated as well from joining the military when i wanted to do it voluntairly, i've got a bad arm that still gives me trouble and i cant do quite a bit with it. not to mention the depressio issues... While i'm not planning on dodging the draft i am planning on moving up to canada at some point as that is were most of my friends and my current bf is at the moment. Oh well here's hoping for the best.
jwoulf - 10:36 am
Actually the LJ post you linked to seems to be referring to the first bill that was meant to make the military more "equal" (to put more non-minorities in the military) But there is more than one draft bill on it's way through, one of them is far more serious...
As for the "No president would ever sign the bill" argument, obviously these people have never heard of George "Dubya" Bush...
Why do you think they're waiting untill AFTER the election to put this bill through? And why has the SSS recieved so much more $ recenly?
jwoulf - 01:08 pm
I just did a little research, here are all the bills trying to bring back the draft; H.R. 3598, H.R. 163, and S 89. There is already an aditional $28 million for the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget. Acording to most info, the draft could start as soon as June 15, 2005
As for my personal views on the whole Iraq situation. I supported the removal of Saddam, but nothing further than that. I am definitly not a pacifist; I own many guns of all types and am a strong beliver in self-defence and armed civilians, but I will not fight for any cause I do not believe in.